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Episode 214: The Surprising Cause Of Nighttime Leg Cramps w/ Patrick Sullivan Jr.
In this episode, Dr. Jeff Armstrong and Corbin Bruton explore the diverse benefits of magnesium and related health topics with guest expert, Patrick Sullivan, Jr. The discussion delves into magnesium's critical role in muscle function, sleep, energy levels, and overall health, highlighting the effectiveness of various supplements like Jigsaw Health's MagSRT and MagSoothe. Special segments cover the importance of balanced nutrition, antioxidants like glutathione, and the broader implications of magnesium deficiency. Personal anecdotes and clinical insights enrich the conversation, emphasizing practical tips for aging well, including mindfulness, exercise, and dietary practices. Tune in to discover how magnesium can transform your health and improve your quality of life for... aging well.
Links:
1) Jigsaw Health
2) Patrick Sullivan, Jr.'s 5 Favorite Ways to Get Magnesium
3) The "Breaking Pickleball" documentary
4) 'Wellness Piece By Piece" by Patrick Sullivan, Sr. (free download or hardcopy)
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Welcome to the Aging Well Podcast. I'm Dr. Jeff Armstrong here with my cohost Corbin Bruton. In this episode, we're diving into a surprising topic that affects a lot of people, nighttime leg cramps. We'll be joined by a special guest, Patrick Sullivan, Jr. The co founder and CEO of Jigsaw Health. Patrick brings a personal perspective to this, having suffered from leg cramps himself, and is passionate about helping others find relief. We'll be discussing the root causes of these cramps, why magnesium might be the missing piece, and why that banana before bed might not be helping as much as you think. So stick around as we explore ways to get a cramp free, restful night's sleep to age well.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Patrick welcome to the aging well podcast. We are thrilled to have you here today Let's begin by having you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you became interested in muscle cramps and nutritional supplements
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Dr. Jeff Corbin It's a pleasure to be on your show. I was listening to one of your recent podcasts of exercises to not do over 50. As you reviewed some guy's video talking about exercises, you shouldn't do over 50. I agree with all your points. It's so important to
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:thank you.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I think what we're going to talk about today is leg cramps and how I got interested in this. And it really stems back to as a kid, I was playing soccer. I grew up in the Dallas Fort Worth area and it seemed like there was a tournament every weekend at night after a long, hot day on the soccer field, find myself sort of sheepishly sneaking into my parents room and saying, Mom, my legs hurt so bad. Can you get me the heating pad? I wish I knew then what I have known now. And I wish my parents knew then what we knew about the importance of two key minerals, that we're going to talk about today.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:All right, Patrick. So let's just jump right into this. know that there's two different types of muscle cramps. there's basically, there's the kind that happened during physical activity, and then there's the kind that happened, it just kind of hits us at nighttime. Like, you get a charley horse at night, and oh, you're fighting to get, it out. What's going on there?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Yeah, those painful charlie horses are the worst and that's what I was struggling with as a kid something that I learned not that long ago probably about eight years ago from a member of jigsaw health scientific advisory board a naturopathic cardiologist named doctor Dr. Decker Weiss and he said well Patrick There's actually two types of muscle cramps when you're in the midst of an activity and you're running and Doing some kind of sport and you begin to feel that cramp. That's actually a potential sign of a potassium deficiency. And of course people think, Oh, bananas, potassium cramping. Yes. And they're right in that case, when you have those painful Charlie horses that come upon you in the middle of the night or, after a long day of activity and your hands are starting to feel that cramping, that's actually the sign of a potential magnesium deficiency and bananas are not that high in magnesium. So bananas really aren't going to help with the second type of muscle cramps. And yet everybody thinks, Oh, if you're cramping. Eat a banana.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Yes, I've heard the whole banana piece and I just had a conversation with one of my wrestlers that I do strength and conditioning with this week about bananas and cramping and I told me that he's gonna have to wait until after I talked to you this weekend. Um, I like pickle juice for nighttime cramps. if I'm getting a cramp at night, I'll just go down and drink. spicy pickle juice. And, and so you do talk, you know, about magnesium is one of the keys for the nighttime cramps. What roles do these electrolytes play in muscle function and how do these imbalances lead to cramps?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I like to think of, calcium and magnesium as like two kids on a teeter totter. They're both electrolytes. They're two of the five key electrolytes that we need But when they're out of balance, calcium clenches and magnesium relaxes. when one kid, the calcium kid is a little too big. your muscles are clenched a similar thing happens between sodium and potassium to other electrolytes of sodium and potassium are next to calcium and magnesium on the teeter totter and sodium when you get a little too much of it and you're out of potassium, you get that clenching. So. Our body needs both because it's the peristaltic action inside the cells that those minerals are basically, yin and yanging against each other. we have to have electrolytes. they're essential. like the batteries that help us to run. The irony is that in today's food supply. It's so easy to get sodium and calcium. in almost everything, but magnesium and potassium, you really have to work a lot harder to get those two minerals. So to me, it's no wonder cramping is as common as it is. Now you mentioned pickle juice. I read an interesting article about that. pickle juice is pretty high in sodium and you're like, how is that working? There's another thing about mustard packets. Some people will use mustard packets. that's also high in sodium. I read, this is years ago. So I'm probably going to butcher it, but to the best of my memory they were talking about how the, pickly flavor gives us a placebo effect. when it hits your mouth, the body has this belief that, okay, I'm getting in electrolytes and it has this like almost a placebo like effect in how it works. Granted, a fan of the placebo effect. If something works, it works. I don't really care. And pickle juice, I'm a big fan of pickles. So if Dr. Jeff is your go to trick, go for it. However, might I offer, why are you getting those cramps in the first place? those nighttime charley horses are actually a signal of low magnesium. And if you can fix it with pickle juice, okay, cool. You solved it in the minute. But if you're continuing to get them, I would really encourage you to look at your magnesium intake and what you're getting on a daily basis.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Yeah, and I totally agree with you in terms of that placebo effect. that's what I even teach my students about it. The reason I use the pickle juice and the spicy pickle juice is that capsicin also has a little bit of that effect of triggering what you're saying where it's a nervous system trigger to kind of relax those muscles.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I don't know what capsicum is.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:You must not like spicy food. And you're down in the southwest. You gotta like hot spicy foods. So capsaicin is the thing in hot peppers that gives it that hotness and I'm a hot pepper kind of guy.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:potentially triggering something in the brain?
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:I'm not sure exactly what it is. I'm not going to mention a product because I went to a conference once and they, it's clinically proven and it's like, yeah, that's the red flag for me when you tell me something's clinically proven, but, they, there's so called science behind it is, is, is that it's that. The, the elements primarily capsaicin, cause a neurological effect. it's triggering something in the brain that's telling the muscles to relax. I don't know the exact physiology behind it. haven't really. Dived into that yet. but I know that for me, it does work. It gives that pretty much instantaneous relaxation of the muscles, but I wholeheartedly agree. And I think that's what we talk about on this podcast is the preventative side of things so that we're not having to treat, we want to be able to prevent. And so I really like to dive into a little bit more about. This role of magnesium and, how our diets are really affecting whether or not we have cramps during athletic events or at night
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:magnesium is my favorite mineral. One of the things I like to say is I got 99 problems and magnesium solved like 98 of them.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:That's a big claim.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:It is a big claim. you've probably seen in articles, that magnesium is involved in over 300 biochemical reactions. Well, the interesting thing about That number 300 comes from the 1950s from Dr. Bert Valley, a Harvard medical professor, and it was his best guess at the time, 70 years ago. More recently, magnesium researcher, Morley Robbins, has discovered that magnesium is involved in at least 3, 751 Biochemical reactions. like to think of magnesium as the conductor of the orchestra. It's just involved in so many different pathways. if you're not getting it from your diet, those pathways are not acting effectively.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:when I was in college, I actually job shadowed chiropractor and this chiropractor was. He wasn't just like Western medicine chiropractor. He threw a lot of like Eastern medicine in, but he was almost always prescribing different types of magnesium. Right. and he just, he, I was like, why do you always push this magnesium Oh, it's because he has like sponsorship or something like that. And he was just, he goes, you don't know how many people are truly depleted. Of magnesium. We have a magnesium deficiency epidemic in, this country. I was like, wow, that's interesting. So I guess this segues into my next question as far as magnesium affecting everyone, would you say, It's more effective towards athletes or would it more be like widespread and how, how can factors like hydrations, diet and activities level affect the muscles cramps as
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:years ago I was at a conference and talking to a woman about magnesium and she asked a great question. She said. I become addicted to magnesium? And I thought about it and I was like, you know what? You already are. Our bodies require electrolytes. We have to get them from outside of ourselves. Magnesium is not that prevalent in food and our bodies use it up constantly. ATP, the energy molecule, Adenosine triphosphate is actually mg2 plus ATP. It's magnesium ATP. Our body, anytime it's using energy and uses it for everything, it's utilizing magnesium. So, is it for athletes? Or everyone. Yes, it really is. it may show up more prominently in athletes that there is a deficiency because athletes are using more energy, but it really truly is. And, you mentioned this, the, the, the chiropractor that you shadowed had a couple of different forms that he recommends. There's three different forms that I recommend and one of the things we can put in the show notes, I created this simple little, my five favorite ways to get magnesium. three favorite forms would be magnesium glass, glycinate, magnesium malate, And magnesium L three and eight. And I'll go through the differences of those quickly. So magnesium glycinate is a, magnesium bound to the amino acid glycine. I like this one for nighttime use because glycine helps to calm down the brain shatter. and I find in my own personal life, I definitely at night need to calm down my brain chatter. So I like magnesium glycinate for that. Magnesium malate is magnesium bound to malic acid, and that's a little bit more of an energizing form of magnesium. So I like to take magnesium malate in the morning. And then the third one, magnesium L three and eight, a little bit newer of a form of magnesium. There's some studies from MIT that shows that magnesium L three and eight gets into the brain. It's magnesium bound to threonic acid. getting magnesium into the brain. our brains use magnesium. Our hearts use magnesium. Every part of the body is using magnesium. So those are my three favorite forms of magnesium.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:So, are these muscle cramps Indicators of maybe other underlying health issues that people should be concerned about.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I love that question because cramps is like the canary in the coal mine for potential Cardiovascular issues in particular. I mentioned Dr. Decker Weiss, the naturopathic cardiologist. there's another cardiologist, Dr. Dennis Goodman, who wrote a book years ago called, Magnificent Magnesium. And he wrote all about the effects of magnesium on the heart. And one of the things he talked about, let's circle back to athletes here. There's kind Commonly known issue in marathoners each year the end of a marathon, a runner will collapse and be dead on the scene. And if you think about it, this is a runner that is a healthy athlete, right? I mean, they're at the end of the marathon, which to a certain extent means that, well, they ran at least 25, 26 miles. Why are they collapsing? The best theory that I have heard is really that it is a down to the end of their magnesium stores. And it's that clenching of calcium without any magnesium to push back in the heart. That basically is the best working theory of death at the end of a marathon related to the magnesium down to zero.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:how does your jigsaw health supplements specifically address the root cause of
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Well, as we've been talking about, magnesium is a magnificent, miraculous mineral, and our bodies really respond well to it, except we take a sort of typical drugstore, okay, I'll just grab a magnesium oxide, magnesium chloride, magnesium citrate. Those are three forms of magnesium that are a little bit more common. They're also a little bit less expensive, and I think that's probably what makes them a bit more common. those are a lot less, absorbable. and therefore a lot less tolerable inside of the gut. the genesis of Jigsaw Health, my dad and I started this company in 2005. he struggled for 30 years with various chronic health challenges, including GI distress and fatigue, also insomnia, which is a weird thing to have, right? But low energy insomnia. one of the things he found from reading health books back in the nineties, pre internet was like, Hmm, okay. I look at a checklist of magnesium deficiency symptoms and I've got all of these symptoms. I must be deficient in magnesium. I'll grab a bottle of drugstore magnesium, but because of the GI issues and the irritable bowel syndrome and the leaky gut he was struggling with because of antibiotics and lack of probiotics this magnesium was just going right through him. So magnesium is hydrophilic. That's a fancy word that means magnesium draws water to it like a magnet. magnesium citrate is often used to prepare people for a colonoscopy. because they're trying to help you clear out your bowels, right? That's using a side effect of magnesium. We want magnesium to get absorbed and basically uptake inside of ourselves so that it can be distributed to our heart, to our brain, to our muscles, to all the places that magnesium needs to go. So Jigsaw Health, my dad, the first product we developed at Jigsaw was MagSRT. SRT stands for sustained release technology. It uses magnesium malate. magnesium bound to malic acid in a high dose, but it slows down the release over time. Uh, and Dr. Jeff, I'm going to trigger you here, but it has been clinically tested and by clinically tested. I mean, we actually took the finished product. We had a human clinical trial, placebo controlled with 93 subjects. it was called the Scottsdale magnesium study was published in the journal of American college of nutrition, which is indexed on pub med. and that was in 2018 that study came out. Thankfully, MAG SRT did beat placebo, we were happy to see that, but it showed, an increase in MAG serum an increase in MAG RBC, and a decrease in magnesium deficiency symptoms over 90 days. So yes, we are clinically tested.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:That doesn't necessarily trigger me. the red flag goes up when I hear it. And it's when companies then can't back that clinical claim up, or it's, you know, some kind of clinical claim that, you know, it's been tested, but We, we won't really show you the results the results are minor anybody can test anything in a clinic, but it's the, clinical results that are most important. you pulled that red flag down quickly by going into a reasonable sample size, the fact that it was externally tested and that There were measurable results. I did a, study for a supplement company as a fat loss supplement, and, it got me quoted in the New York times, that was the only study that did not Design the study to have positive results or, fabricate data to get favorable results. And the company wanted me to report that there was a 750 some odd greater, uh, percent fat loss compared to the placebo. And I'm like, well, that's true. But first of all, we don't report that way in the literature. And second of all, 750 times, nothing is still pretty much nothing.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Is that how
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Right.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:still works?
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:And so, it doesn't always work that way. I appreciate the results that you shared there. That's
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I'm sure if you just Google Scottsdale magnesium study, you can find the results and we're very pleased. I feel like it's in this day and age. It's not too hard to get five star reviews. it is pretty darn hard to up that data with good science. we were a little nervous going into that, but I want to know the truth. I'll take the Pepsi challenge against anybody because I just want to know the truth. If we can improve the product and make it better, then let's do that. If it's working and we have so many five star reviews, let's prove why they're there. we are in a scientific field. The basis of science is to step back and observe and find the truth.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:thank you for reminding our listeners and viewers.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:I love that answer.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:So beyond cramps, what are some of the other unintended consequences of having a magnesium deficiency? what makes your magnesium supplement ignored?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I would say that, some of probably the top three energy is a big one that most people will see also hair, skin, and nails. a lot of people think of calcium as like, Oh, that's, you know, strong bones. Well, magnesium is just as critical in the bone matrix. hair, skin, and nails are part of that system. And, we've had, and in fact, one of maybe my favorite, reviews. Gosh, it's been a long time since I thought about this one, but, I'm a guitarist. there was a classical guitarist, that wrote in and talked about how his fingernails, kept breaking until he began taking mag SRT. And for those who don't know, like classical guitar, it's a lot of finger picking. And so like the strength of your nails is critical. And that was his profession. So, you know, we've never, we've never really marketed, Magus RT or, or magnesium really, as a hair, skin and nails thing. But I know that a lot of people struggle with that. And it, part of the reason, yes, it could be the, the biotin or, a methylation problem with other B vitamins. That could be a part of the factor, but it may be something as simple as once again, just not getting enough magnesium. Into the body. And again, that's why we recommend, generally the high dose form, the, the mag SRT. I think that those are some really, really nice unintended consequences. What one more would be of course, sleep. And sleep is a big challenge for numerous people. So I mentioned about magnesium glycinate. We use that form in a product called jigsaw mag soothe. It's a powder. It's 200 milligrams, which is about 50 percent of the recommended daily intake of magnesium. And, and mag soothe, I find that like, gosh, my sleep has really, Just so benefited from that. And, we're actually currently right now working on a clinical trial with, heads up health. a company that does diagnostic tracking. so if you have an or a ring, or if you have a Apple watch, they take that data, they put it into their system. They can also then correlate in blood work, blood markers. So they, they're like the, the, the data, the Google analytics of like, Blood work tracking, and we're doing a small pilot study with them internally with their own team that was like, yeah, we'd like to try this. So we, gosh, maybe six weeks ago, sent them about 15 bottles of mag, not mag SRT, but of mag soothe the day after the trial began the president of heads up health, David, sent me a text message with a screenshot of his, ordering, data and he had a 90 sleep score. He's like, Okay. Well, pretty good, pretty good day one. So, I'm hoping that we will have that, test results by the end of this year, beginning of next year, because sleep is such a critical issue. and I think that magnesium is very involved, whether it is coming out in leg cramps or just literally like relaxation of the brain.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:I'm really glad you brought up sleep because we interviewed, the other individuals on this podcast in the past and they're professionals in sleep hygiene. I mentioned, well, what about magnesium? You know, cause I started taking a magnesium supplement at night, either magnesium glycinate or, magnesium thricinate. And. felt that I was getting a much better night's sleep. And they're like, well, actually the literature out there doesn't show much. So it's probably just a placebo effect. And I was like, well, it's a great placebo
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:call them up, get them on the show. Let's have a debate.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:yeah, I mean, like you said earlier, if it's a placebo effect that works, or if it really works, I feel that it was working.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Are you taking magnesium?
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:You know, not as often as I should, but you got me really intrigued about, side effects of skin. Um, it's probably TMI, but I've been having some skin issues. I just thought I was getting older. And my skin's getting flakier. So I'm like, maybe I need to, throw some lotion or oil on. And it's not going away. I was like, maybe it's a magnesium
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Let's speculate here. I got 99 problems and magnesium solved like 98 of them, right?
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:right.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:being that fundamental element of the stuff that our body needs. One thing you could try is Mag Relief. we have a lotion version of magnesium. magnesium chloride. I particularly like that when I, out pickleball my magnesium intake and end up with, either sore calves or like my feet are to, my feet are sore. it's like, okay, I I was out on the court for two and a half hours. went through all of my magnesium that I had taken earlier. So I need targeted muscle relief. I would be interested to hear, and I will send you a bottle Corbin, if mag relief In that specific targeted area helps with that because it's a very clean lotion as well. It goes on easy. It's not gross. It doesn't smell bad. it's fragrance free. And I would be interested to hear if that helped.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:Yeah, I
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:All right, we got our next clinical trial underway
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:Nice.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:There you go.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:we go.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Then we could say it's clinically proven.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I think it probably takes more than one, but you know what? I think
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Yeah.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I think science has too far downplayed anecdotes, I think anecdotes is where doctors and clinicians have really thrived over millennia, they're like, huh, I did see a similar case where this helped I'm going to try that academia science too far off and downplays and writes off I am not a fan of that. I, you know, I think there are different levels of proof, but anecdotes are super, super important.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:When there's such a, you know, everybody's an individual and there's so many synergistic interactions between the things that we're doing and not doing that it's hard to get. A hundred people in a clinical trial that are all in the exact same circumstances, split them off into two groups. And I mean, even a twin study, you know, twins are not identical in terms of their behavior and their, you know, from the moment they've been conceived, their lives have been going off on two different trajectories.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:my two youngest sisters are identical twins growing up. they were identical. Identical, identical, and out on a soccer field, the two of them played like their brains were wired together. They were NAIA champions, years ago, but they're different people. I can see the differences now, we've often joked I wonder if ever there was a time where they got reversed and Christie is actually Karen and Karen is actually Christie, but we never do that.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:how would you know?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:maybe my mom lays awake at night worrying about it and then she takes MagSooth and she's fine. She goes right to sleep.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:There you go. I'm kind of curious with the glycine connection in there. We had, Neon Patel on who is kind of the glutathione person and, you know, talking about. Glutathione is the master antioxidant and its important role and glycine being a very critical component of glutathione. The connection of those two, you know, magnesium and glutathione If there's a bit of a connection with that as well.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I know that magnesium is a precursor for glutathione. I'm not aware that glycine is a precursor as well. as you were talking about that, I tilted my head up and I was searching my Patrick GPT for, information on that. I couldn't find anything, so I'm going to have to do some follow up on that. I know one of the challenges of course, with glutathione, it's also the master detoxifier in the body, so it's critical to make it, but it's generally made inside of the body. Whereas magnesium is external. We have to bring it in you can supplement of course with glutathione, but I think there's some DNA connections related to how well your body will uptake and utilize supplemented glutathione. so one of the things that I, I conversation I do remember years ago with, the aforementioned Morley Robbins, he's the magnesium researcher. He's also the creator of something called the root cause protocol, really good program for people trying to figure out how to, you know, overcome some health challenges, he was talking specifically about glutathione and magnesium as a super important precursor. to glutathione. So I'm curious if that came up in the discussion at all.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:I don't think so. I'd have to listen back to everything and I just finished reading the book. I know he tends to really emphasize the role of diet and getting all the components in place because glutathione is made in the body and gets used in the body so much, too, that we can begin to have that tank kind of be dropping off if we're not getting enough of it, we're not getting the products to make it. so his supplement is a transdermal delivery system, and the idea is to cap things off. I have to go back because I know selenium is important in that. And, a bunch of other minerals. I think anything like that if you're labeling it as a critical master antioxidant in the body or a master substance in the body, all these electrolytes have to be in the proper balance for everything to be functioning properly and,
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:That's another mineral. electrolytes are minerals. They're electrically charged minerals and all of the minerals we have to get from the diet. Our body doesn't make minerals. glutathione is something that it, it, body will make if we feed it. And it, and it could turn out that, you know, transdermal, which is, you know, You apply it to the skin. It goes in through the, the dermis that might work awesome for you. But again, I would kind of go back to
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:And I've tried it, it does work a lot better. the gut absorption is pretty poor for that. And so that's why when you mentioned the magnesium glycine, it's like, well, hey, That's probably a better way of getting some of that glycine into the system so that you have the products there to, make what we need in the body.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:you're right. And it goes back to spicy pickle juice that you're running to in the middle of the night with a leg cramp, Dr. Jeff, it's like, no, I'd rather see you, solving the root cause.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Yeah. And it will, and this conversation can get me thinking too, because I track my sleep scores and looking at the things that are benefiting it, not benefiting it in my, my sleep, my fatigue levels right now have been relatively low. It's like, gee, you know, I'm not consuming as much alcohol. We've shifted eating an earlier dinner, you know, and, and, you know, as I vary some of these different variables, nothing seems to be surfacing as the key thing. so I got to now try magnesium and see if that doesn't, you know, have a positive effect in terms of making sure that even though I'm getting long sleep, I'm getting restorative sleep.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:sleep
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:morning.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:And I was going to say, how about I send you a bottle of Jigsaw MagSooth and you can be a part of our Heads Up Health study with the Aura
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Okay, I
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:tracking
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Well, I use a Garmin, watch, but can they still track from that or no?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:what makes Heads Up Health such a cool platform is they can take data from all All of the different wearables and correlate it and put it together so that it's like, comparing apples to apples. you can also then sort of, if you want to switch from aura to Garmin or Garmin to aura, you have sort of the history, your personal history. It's a really cool platform.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Yeah.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:I'll take an order
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Who else wants an oar ring?
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:I'll take one.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:We need Oprah on here.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:That's right.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:You get an aura ring.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:your chairs right now. I had the producers put a bottle of mag sooth and a bottle of mag relief. How about that?
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:Could you
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I didn't know we were going to talk about that.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Yeah. We're going off on all kinds of different tangents today, but this is great. I think, getting that broader view of what we intended to talk about is really good.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:one last thing that I would throw in cause we, didn't really talk a lot about potassium, but it does play a very crucial role. I think it's a little bit more prevalent in the diet than magnesium. Jigsaw, we make a product called pickleball cocktail. And the reason we made that product, it has 800 of potassium, which is about the equivalent of two bananas, but it tastes like orange Tang because I don't like to eat bananas. The reason we made pickleball cocktail number one jigsaw health. We have a particular affinity and love for pickleball, and we've done some, niche marketing, into that. over the last three years, we've had a lot of registered dieticians picking up pickleball cocktail and recommending it because it's a very clean electrolyte formula, sugar free, caffeine free, 800 milligrams of potassium. And I've ended up seeing on Instagram people opening a packet of pickleball cocktail and there says, well, I don't play pickleball, but my dietician says I need to get more potassium. So I'm taking this and it actually tastes really good. Tastes like orange Tang. So, we jigsaw health. We also have you covered on that potassium side as well. the reason we created that product is myself. As I became addicted to pickleball, I found that I was starting to cramp up while I was playing. And I was like, how the heck is this? It's like I take tons of magnesium. I shouldn't be having any cramps. But then I realized what Dr. Decker Weiss had told me, Oh, there's two types of leg cramps. I'm starting to get the first one because I'm playing so much pickleball. I'm out here sweating in the Arizona sun and I'm starting to feel like my legs cramp up. I guess I need to get more potassium, but I don't like bananas. put it in something orange flavored that tastes great.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:I kind of have this vision now in my head of four kids in the playground on a seesaw there'd be times when they're out of sync and times when they get in sync and then they get out of sync again and we want to get that harmony going that they're always in sync they're in that same rhythm because you know you might get one of them balanced out but then the other one and I'm Signaling here and we're on video and my hands are down below my camera, but, it makes sense now, you know, we want to have that proper overall balance consistently in our diet so that we don't get too much potassium or too little potassium, too much calcium, too much magnesium, too little magnesium
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I love
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:and all those things,
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:thinking of harmony, thinking of balance, thinking of Mr. Miyagi. Daniel, son, of life balance. That was not my best Pat
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:certainly all of electrolytes.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Would that be okay?
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:I
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I did not,
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:we could do a do over if you want.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:did not realize I would be doing Mr. Miyagi here today.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:I meant to send you the email saying, prepare your Mr. Miyagi impersonation for today's episode.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I can Practice my impressions better.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:That sounds good. I'm surprised I haven't broken into any impressions yet that are really bad. I was just teaching, cancer in my pathophysiology and exercise class the other day. And of course I can't say tumor without saying it like Arnold Schwarzenegger. It's like a tumor.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:You're in, I'm sure your students love it.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:they pretend to, want to get good grades.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:the benefit of being the professor. That's right.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:he'd sell the joke and I felt like no one else understood it because I was the only one that was laughing, but he always had me cracking up and we started doing the podcast. he would still say some of the same jokes and I'd crack up and he goes, Oh, you weren't just laughing to get a good grade. I'm like, no, actually really funny.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:You tell my kids that.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:Yeah.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:we have a little saying, laughter is the best medicine. Magnesium is a close second.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:Nice.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:how long should somebody take your products before they notice a difference in muscle cramp, frequency, and intensity?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:is a great question. ironically, it can really start to work very quickly. I was telling a friend of mine, about mag soothe, and we were talking about leg cramps. Cause I was telling them, you know, they're, So basically I was given in this podcast, there's two types of leg cramps, Bryce. as I started to talk about that, he goes, Oh my gosh, my mom struggles so much with sleeping. I'm going to get her a bottle of jigsaw mag soothe. He sent me a text, three or four days later, and it was a screenshot of what his mom. Sent to him, which was, Oh my gosh, son, I slept so good last night. Thank you for that. It was her first dose. And she mentioned TMI. She was like, and I pooped really good today. So probably the fourth thing that I should have brought up. As a quote unquote unintended consequence of magnesium is it is super crucial for regularity that peristaltic movement, that action magnesium is great. sometimes you can get the yo yo effect if you have constipation and then take mag citrate at that point, it's kind of like throwing a hand grenade into your GI track. It clears it out, but it is not pretty. So mag SRT. the forms of magnesium that we use mag malate, mag glycinate, mag threonate will really help with the peristaltic action, and just helping with regularity, instead of a hand grenade.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:it's that milk of magnesia is basically a heavy dose of magnesium.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:hydrochloride works really well to clear out the guts.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Well, I was thinking, as you were talking about the absorbability and the relaxation effect that magnesium has, that if it's not getting absorbed it could be causing us to flush out other essential nutrients in our systems because we're not allowing enough time for food to be Properly absorbed as it goes through the digestive tract.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:you nailed it.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:is that the 97th problem that it solved?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Correct. It's the 97th problem. Magnesium fixes,
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Yeah, so i'm curious, you say that magnesium fixes 98 of the 99 problems you have I have a daughter at 16 wants a car Taking magnesium suddenly give me the money to go out and buy her a car
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:The problem it doesn't solve is, it's not a money tree,
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:darn,
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:but it will give you the energy to start planting trees. the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. Or today,
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:there you go words of wisdom there
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:ancient Chinese proverb,
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:You should have said that, Mr. Miyagi. He's Japanese, so it doesn't work.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:although he was Japanese, right?
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:What was that?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Okinawanese.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:you guys are probably all too young to remember the old, very politically incorrect commercial and what the product was, but it was an ancient Chinese secret.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I remember my dad quoting that
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Can't remember
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:my dad is very funny too.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:yeah.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:yes, he that impression and I wasn't aware of where it came from. So thank you for, bridging that divide for me, Dr. Jeff.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:hopefully we haven't lost any of our Asian listeners or viewers today.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Yeah.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:So, Corbin, I think you have the next question.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:No,
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:I
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:muscle cramps change as people age? And what are some proactive measures to maintain muscle health?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:So as you age, I'm not even going to speculate. In fact, if anything, I'd probably turn that over to Dr. Jeff and hear what happens to muscles as you age. the thing that I jumped to would be like collagen. collagen is a part of the skin and the muscle tissue. and we decline, like our body stopped making collagen, I think in our late Twenties or early thirties, So I feel like maybe that could be part of that. There's also, a hormone component to muscles with testosterone production and even estrogen is involved in muscle mass. So Dr. Jeff, welcome to the show. What do you think about that question? That's a great one from Corbin.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:judging from our conversation, I would say that it, and like most things with aging, it's not a matter of days on the calendar, years on the calendar, as much as, you know, our activities level change, our use of muscles change, you know, we become far more inactive as we age and our diets become poor as well. We've done some episodes on that where, you know, how crappy the diets are of aging individuals because they just simply don't, you know, Consume the foods they need based on our conversation, the simple answer is that, our likelihood of being magnesium deficient or having those imbalances in our electrolytes probably increases with age, simply as a matter of lifestyle. And usually I can kind of BS an answer for my students, and if I go back and look it up, I'm usually right, so I'll stand by that answer. So, do you have any recommendations for older adults beyond supplements to prevent muscle cramps like exercise or dietary changes?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:it goes without saying that diet and exercise are huge. One thing for me personally that I've really started to get into lately is specifically, dispensa meditation, Dr. Joe dispensa, who's written a number of books, and cells, basically guided meditations that you listen to. I do it in the morning, right? When I wake up. I do it right before I go to bed. And I've through, his research started to understand that, like the whole purpose of meditation, at least my interpretation has been, I tend to be a, fight or flight. I've got, you know, high producer got to get stuff done. what I realized is that's actually a form of like, I'm always in fight or flight. My body is producing cortisol. one of the things I have struggled with is practicing arguments in my head where I'll be thinking about an argument that I had or an argument that I might have in the future. what I've learned through Dr. Joe is that body has no concept of time. It is in the moment that your brain is thinking about. So if your brain is thinking about an argument that you had, your body is in that argument right now. And I was subconsciously that kind of program almost all the time. So through beginning to implement meditation, I started to allow my body to slow down and not be in a fight, not be in an argument. what I've learned from Dr. Joe is that you begin to tell your body, It's safe to create good healing chemicals now his point is if you're walking through the woods and you come upon a bear, is that the time to create? No, it's the time to either fight or flight. in our modern day age, I was a, I think, living example of this for almost four decades constantly chronically in a state of fight or flight. And I think I was able to, sort of out. And to take things like magnesium to help calm my system down, but I have really by embracing these, you know, it's a 30 minute meditation when I wake up in a 30 minute meditation before I go to bed, tell my body it's okay. We're safe. There's not a bear chasing us. And guess what? You're not even in an argument. So meditation, I would think it's something that I have really begun to fall in love with and to begin to see results. Ashley my wife and business partner. works here in the company at jigsaw health. She's the chief medical marketing officer. we attended a seven day meditation retreat. If you would have told me a year ago I was going to go to a seven day meditation retreat, I would say, you're crazy. I am never doing that woo woo stuff. Well, now sign me up for woo woo because there's actually a ton of science and data that Dr. Joe, who is a neuroscientist presents things like the body has no concept of time. if you're thinking about an argument, you're in an argument and I was like, Oh my gosh, that makes sense. two weeks after our seven day meditation retreat, my wife said to me, you know what? You're not bouncing your leg anymore. You know, the kind of people that will sit there at the table and that leg is just jittering, bouncing, bouncing, subconsciously I turned that off because I began to practice meditation. My best interpretation of that is I've now caught myself when I'm about to start running an argument in my head. And I'm like, nope, And I think the end result has been, I'm not bouncing my leg. I'm not in this fight or flight tensed mode. So, like I said, this is all very new to me. This is my sort of best explanation for it. But I think anyone at any age, particularly. As we age and our bodies become less efficient, the more we can relax it and slow it down by breathing. And I highly recommend the dispense of meditations. I think it really does trigger these health, healing, promoting chemicals inside of our body.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:I don't think we've had that presented that way. in any of our episodes more and more we're hearing about the role of mindfulness and aging well, but why mindfulness? Well, it makes sense now physiologically that mindfulness practice is allowing our body the space to repair itself. in a healthy manner. one of the last questions we generally ask our guests you've started to answer it already with the, meditation stuff that you've been doing, but what else are you doing personally to age well,
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:huge pickleball addict. I don't know if you've talked about it on your show, but it has been, in the last six years or so a huge part of my life. And there's no surprise that it is America's fastest growing sport. the elements of athleticism, hand coordination and the social aspect is, I think the third, Leg of that stool, so to speak, able to be in an environment, laughing, playing a sport with friends, and don't take it too seriously. If you've never played, give yourself permission to be a beginner. great thing about pickleball is that you can pick it up. Really pretty quickly and have some rallies back and forth and start laughing. And the other great thing about pickleball is that it takes a lifetime to master. It's more than just athleticism, their skill and strategy. It's chess, not checkers. So I would say that one tip in particular, and especially it is, it is very popular amongst, older people. has gotten a lot younger. Like the courts around Scottsdale, Arizona, it's almost all high school and college kids now. places like in Florida called the villages have, I think 140 courts. the whole community is a pickleball Mecca. if you're thinking about picking it up, really give yourself a chance I think it's one of the best sports out there.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:I might have to consider that.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:so Patrick, is there a way for our listeners who are really interested in maybe they want to purchase a pickleball cocktail, or any of your products for that matter? Is there a way for them to reach out to you, to communicate with you, to buy your products, to just have a conversation?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Yeah, for sure. the easiest way to find me is on X, real Patrick Jr. that's my handle and my DMS are open. you can find jigsaw health products on jigsaw health. com. Also available on Amazon and we might even be at your local naturopath or chiropractor. about 20 percent of our business is through healthcare practitioners like that. would love to have you start taking any of our products, pickleball cocktail, mag SRT, mag soothe, Actually, all three of those would be a great place to start for someone that hasn't really been taking any, nutrition products. if you don't like them, a 90 day return policy, no questions asked. so really no risk at all.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:can you share any other. Exciting developments or upcoming products from Jigsaw Health that are related to muscle health and aging?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:We're right now researching a product. I believe the brand name will end up being endurance. kick. it's a simple formula that helps to increase blood flow. It's really a pre workout. so it increases blood flow, which of course helps you with stamina and lifting and your workout, but there's also an element of some appetite suppression and visceral fat reduction. one of the raw ingredients has good Clinical data on, visceral fat reduction. in my own personal life, we created a documentary. we hired a documentarian to film the first season of the Arizona pickleball league that we created. and that documentary came out just recently on Amazon prime video. The documentary is called breaking pickleball. It's six episodes. It's the, the story of five teams battling to try to get To the orchard championship cup. it's a super fun watch. it's family friendly. We bleeped out all of the curse words. episode four was a little bit difficult cause the character in that had a bit of a potty mouth, but we cleaned that up for everybody. So it's family friendly, very inspiring, fun story. but I bring that up because when I was looking at myself on camera, I was like, they say the camera adds 10 pounds, but it looks like it's adding like 30 pounds. I need to really kind of myself to, my workout routine. And I began to use, the foundation of what is now endurance kick as a pre workout. And I really have been happy with the results. I'm down from, 220 to 190, over the course of 18 months. I did it slowly. Not fast. And I think that really is the better way to go because the muscle definition is way better. There, use a tonal each morning, a big fan of the tonal, just fits into my routine really well. And, really just getting better with my diet, Greek yogurt in the morning instead of nothing, turns out that protein is really helpful. It's great for the gut. You know, instead of a, junky protein bar, Greek yogurt with some pumpkin seeds and honey and, blueberries, like just some of those kind of changes, those kind of tweaks have really helped, me to lose that weight.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:That's a
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Yeah, baby.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:you got your protein from the yogurt. You got some testosterone boosting from the,
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Yeah.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:seeds. you got your good carbs from the honey.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Thank you. Well, you know what else is in pumpkin seeds? Ounce for ounce, they are the highest amount
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Magnesium.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:You nailed it.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:I've gotten really into Skyr. Skyr, S K Y R. It's the Icelandic yogurt. It's a little bit different. I like the texture so much more than Greek yogurt. And it tends to have a little bit higher protein to it. I don't know what the magnesium content is. I've got to look that up.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:You'll,
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Was there anything we missed in today's conversation?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:guys for letting me rabbit trail the heck out of this thing. I find that I answer questions somewhat like Donald Trump, where I just kind of roll and walk around. He goes, but he calls it the weave. he's like, well, I get back to the answer, but I'm going to weave in some other loops and trails. thank you for, Allowing me to come on here and talk kudos to you guys. Great questions. A lot of fun stuff to talk about. I hope your audience really enjoyed it.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:I'm sure they have. Unlike a politician, you actually came to answers. You didn't just kind of weave around things and not ever get to an answer.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:the question about aging muscles. And I handed that right back to you, Dr. Jeff, and you knocked it out of the park with a very great speculative answer.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:I love those speculative answers.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:is, you know, speculation until we have proof. And then we're still kind of
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:yeah.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:because how many things have we, how many knowing things that we knew have we reversed and been like, Oh, it's actually, it works this way instead. So, you know, it's just constantly searching for the truth, constantly searching for how to make our life and other lives better. Cause, as the jigsaw health saying goes, it's fun to feel good.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:is that where the jigsaw name comes from? Is putting the pieces of the puzzle together or where does it come from?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I mentioned that Jigsaw Health was started by my dad and I in 2005. In 2004, he published a book called Wellness Piece by Piece, and it was the chronicle of his journey over three decades to find the pieces to his health puzzle, which involved things like Remineralizing his body, improving his gut health with probiotics. One of the biggest things was he being born in the 1950s had a mouthful of mercury amalgams, 14 mercury amalgams, that he got removed in his basically, I think around 27, 28, but that was kind of the beginning of him. okay, I removed the poison, one of the poisons. Now, how do I begin to fix the damage that was done? he and I are involved in a group called consumers for dental choice, which has been lobbying for many years, 30 years now to ban mercury amalgams. just recently, we had a very favorable ruling from the FDA that said at the very least, mercury amalgam should not be used in, Sensitive, individuals, including pregnant women, children, and individuals with immune sensitivity. So getting the FDA to put some sort of restriction on mercury amalgams, a. k. a. silver fillings, the black, fillings inside of the teeth, was kind of a big victory. We're actually having a lot more success worldwide. the European union has banned it. A lot of countries in Africa have banned it. we're making progress and I know that we are going to win that battle and remove that poison There's no reason for mercury amalgams to be used when the, the porcelain and the there's other alternatives that no, They work better and they look better and they're not poison. So, it's a big fight that we've been, involved in for almost 20 years.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:I had no idea that fight was still going. it just tells you how slow and ignorant our FDA is. I just learned last week that they still haven't, they're in that process now of banning lead pipes. they're given 10 years now for cities to get rid of them. It's like, well, how much damage is going to be done in 10 years to think that people can still get mercury put into their mouths?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Well,
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:insane.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:It's insane. I'm
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:That's actually, I mean, they just talked about that with one of the big trials that are going on, I don't know if you've been paying attention to some of the trials, but a lot of health and nutritionists are coming in, orthodontists are coming in and they're fighting against the fillings that cause the mercury poisoning. I just saw that. I literally just watched that two days ago,
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I'm aware of a ruling on fluoride that happened recently in California. I'm not aware of this trial. If you could send that to me, I would love to read about that.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:It's really hard. You can only watch it live and you can only watch it on, certain YouTube channels, they're talking about food, like what gets put in our food. They're talking about certain supplements that are okay, but not okay. And they're comparing the United States to other countries. it's fascinating how many people are getting on board I can't get enough of it.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:know what the revolution is happening, the make America healthy again, that is the most important movement in my lifetime. I am thrilled to be a part of that in some small way and like the things that we're doing. In fact, the crew that made the breaking pickleball documentary. Breaking news here on the aging well podcast, we are in pre production to do a documentary called breaking big food featuring Callie and Casey means Dr. Casey means, to really outspoken, well spoken individuals that were recently on the Joe Rogan podcast. Previously they were on the Tucker Carlson podcast. Casey is a Stanford trained doctor, Callie, her brother is a former, lobbyist the way the two have put the pieces of the puzzle together of how over the last 40 years, starting within the 1980s, the tobacco companies buying the, food processing companies. And where it all stemmed from there.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:what they talk about in this
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:You got to send me that link, put the links in the show notes too.
corbin-bruton_1_10-19-2024_073510:yeah.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:there is so much good momentum happening here. I'm a believer in free markets and capitalism. The market will demand and is demanding better quality, whether it's, organic and regenerative and, not glyphosate in the pasta, all of the crap that has infiltrated the American food system the last 40 years, We got to get rid of it. And we can, because companies will respond to the market. If the market is demanding better food, the market will provide it.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:It's funny you mentioned make America healthy again. We're in the process of kind of trying to put together an episode on that. because I think that underscores everything we're doing in the aging well podcast we're trying to make America healthy again. And, I, I do have a, put out a request to. There are Facebook page to try and get RFK on. and you mentioned the other two doctors. if you got any connections to get any of those on this podcast, please share them with me or, let them know we would love to have them here it's important for that message to get out that, there are a lot of things we can do as communities. To help our neighbors get healthy.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Callie means, he's not a doctor. a lobbyist, a reformed lobbyist. He might call himself.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:Is there such a thing?
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:Phoenician, along with myself. So he's my connection to that world. And I'll be happy to make the introduction.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:That would be awesome. anything else that we can wrap up with because we could go down a whole you know, now that we want to do an episode on make America healthy again, we can keep going with that right now.
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:I'm good if you guys are good, but we could keep talking.
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:well, we might have to save you for another episode because you mentioned you, have another documentary coming out. Maybe once that's coming out, let's bring you back on talk more about that topic I'm going to look into seeing what magnesium can do for my sleep my overall health and fatigue. And Corbin's going to see what it does for his skin. Does it, it works on skin flakiness. Does it work on brain flakiness? You know, cause maybe both of us can
patrick-sullivan-jr-_1_10-19-2024_073510:but
jeff_1_10-19-2024_073510:benefit from that. All right. Well, this has just been an awesome conversation. It's been very informative. we'll just kind of wrap it up with telling you to just keep doing what you're doing and keep aging well.
Thank you for listening. I hope you benefited from today's podcast. Until next time, keep aging well.
